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	<title>Comments on: Noteflight: An Online Music Notation Editor</title>
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		<title>By: Noteflight in-browser notation software &#187; Sibelius Blog</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Noteflight in-browser notation software &#187; Sibelius Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] software is the arrival of Noteflight, a Boston-based start-up company under the directorship of Joseph Berkovitz that is developing a simple notation editor in Adobe&#8217;s Flex technology, which allows them to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] software is the arrival of Noteflight, a Boston-based start-up company under the directorship of Joseph Berkovitz that is developing a simple notation editor in Adobe&#8217;s Flex technology, which allows them to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Willem Van den Broeck</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem Van den Broeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the information. I understand now and maybe WAV isn't so bad after all.

If it's any useful to you, i can say that i'm on a slow connection (2Mb), and loading the wav's took me only 20 seconds or so. Not a terribly long wait.

All the best to you people at Noteflight and thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information. I understand now and maybe WAV isn&#8217;t so bad after all.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s any useful to you, i can say that i&#8217;m on a slow connection (2Mb), and loading the wav&#8217;s took me only 20 seconds or so. Not a terribly long wait.</p>
<p>All the best to you people at Noteflight and thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is theoretically more efficient to provide the samples as MP3.  However, we've been waiting for Flash 10 to be released so that we can use the native MP3 codec built into the Player to decode files, rather than using an AS3-based decoder which is inevitably going to be slow (and consume development cycles too).  Now that FP10 is out, we can move ahead on this.

I said "theoretically" because there is an interesting problem.  Many of Noteflight's samples are kept short by using looping techniques to repeat a trailing segment of the sample to make a longer note.  But the MP3 encoding/decoding process introduces a slight loss of accuracy into the sample, meaning that the loops we calculated for WAV samples will no longer work for the same samples after they have been encoded and decoded in the MP3 format which introduces small errors into the waveform.  You might think we could just not bother looping the MP3s, but the savings in compression is in some cases outweighed by the increased size of an unlooped sample.  To loop an MP3 sample correctly, we'll need to run it through the Player MP3 codec, write it back out as a WAV filea again and then redetermine the loop points in a DAW.  This all takes time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is theoretically more efficient to provide the samples as MP3.  However, we&#8217;ve been waiting for Flash 10 to be released so that we can use the native MP3 codec built into the Player to decode files, rather than using an AS3-based decoder which is inevitably going to be slow (and consume development cycles too).  Now that FP10 is out, we can move ahead on this.</p>
<p>I said &#8220;theoretically&#8221; because there is an interesting problem.  Many of Noteflight&#8217;s samples are kept short by using looping techniques to repeat a trailing segment of the sample to make a longer note.  But the MP3 encoding/decoding process introduces a slight loss of accuracy into the sample, meaning that the loops we calculated for WAV samples will no longer work for the same samples after they have been encoded and decoded in the MP3 format which introduces small errors into the waveform.  You might think we could just not bother looping the MP3s, but the savings in compression is in some cases outweighed by the increased size of an unlooped sample.  To loop an MP3 sample correctly, we&#8217;ll need to run it through the Player MP3 codec, write it back out as a WAV filea again and then redetermine the loop points in a DAW.  This all takes time!</p>
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		<title>By: Willem Van den Broeck</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem Van den Broeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Noteflight is great initiative. Thanks for that.

I have a technical question : Isn't it more efficient to provide the samples as mp3 instead of wav, which is about 10 times more data?
I also remember the guys from Hobnox, using a proprietary OGG Vorbis encoder. Of course that would be more taxing on the client's cpu.

Just some thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Noteflight is great initiative. Thanks for that.</p>
<p>I have a technical question : Isn&#8217;t it more efficient to provide the samples as mp3 instead of wav, which is about 10 times more data?<br />
I also remember the guys from Hobnox, using a proprietary OGG Vorbis encoder. Of course that would be more taxing on the client&#8217;s cpu.</p>
<p>Just some thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: kathryn</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that looks fantastic joe!  welcome to the world, noteflight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that looks fantastic joe!  welcome to the world, noteflight.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Deitte</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Deitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Joe!  It looks fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Joe!  It looks fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lyons</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe! Thanks for setting up that account. NoteFlight is badass! A+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe! Thanks for setting up that account. NoteFlight is badass! A+</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Webster</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe; delighted to see this go public...congratulations on your milestone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe; delighted to see this go public&#8230;congratulations on your milestone!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Jastrab</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Jastrab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Joe, that looks really awesome!  Can't wait to check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Joe, that looks really awesome!  Can&#8217;t wait to check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://joeberkovitz.com/blog/2008/10/06/introducing-noteflight/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the IP issues -- Noteflight is committed to complying with the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.  We have no intention of becoming a vehicle for illegal sharing of content, and will respond promptly to complaints of specific copyright violations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the IP issues &#8212; Noteflight is committed to complying with the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.  We have no intention of becoming a vehicle for illegal sharing of content, and will respond promptly to complaints of specific copyright violations.</p>
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